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Franzl63 ist offline Franzl63 · 18 Posts seit 24.04.2022
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Hallo,

würde sich einer der Flaty-Fahrer eventuell erbarmen und mir eine
Kopie seines Fahrzeugbriefes zukommen lassen?

Die intimen Daten könnten bzw. sollten geschwärzt sein.
Ich benötige keine Namen, Adressen, Fahrgestellnummern usw.
nur die Daten des Mopeds. 

Im Voraus besten Dank

Grüße Franz

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Hallo,
ich finde das hier sehr interessant .
Wenn ich mir das Bild von deiner Motornummer ansehe komme ich immer wieder auf
51 WLJ 2 7 2 3  (je öfter ich hinsehe könnte die erste Zahl auch eine 5 sein links oben das ist mir zu eckig für eine 6)
das würde zumindest von den Abständen der einzelnen Zeichen passen und ein gleichmäßiges Bild
und  Schriftart ergeben.
Wie Jens schon schrieb bin ich auch auf ein indonesisches Behördenkrad gestoßen
wo auch auf das WL"J" für Jakarta eingegangen wird
In der Anzeige ist auch ein Bild von einem Typenschild von dem man eine VIN ableiten 
könnte 51 WLJ 1 1 5 6 (ist natürlich rein spekulativ) 

Viel Erfolg bei deiner Suche

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Meine alten trüben Augen sehen das zwar nicht aber hier ein post aus dem AMCA Forum von Bruce Palmer:

On the WLH:
When I wrote “How To Restore Your Military Harley-Davidson” I omitted the WLH as I had only heard of it in passing in the 1980s, had not seen any examples, and found no evidence of it in use by any military service. However, since writing the book I found that a photograph I had obtained from my cousin Fran Blake in the early 1980s showed a WLH is actual use by the Dutch Army (circa mid-1950s). Since then I have found no documents to give further evidence with the only evidence being the physical evidence of a few complete WLHs and WLH crankcases and talking to a gentleman who had purchased some from a lot of 25 at a Dutch Army auction in the 1960s.

What is a WLH? It is a cross between a 43WLC and a 50WL. It has the electric system of the 50WL (tail lamp, headlamp mounted high, front fender lamp). The tanks, dash, and fenders are post-war military. From the WLC, it has the Servi-Car type front fork with Big Twin front brake, front stand, hand clutch, and interchangeable wheels. A nice looking bike.

On the WLJ:
Other than having seen the photographs of a dozen or so sets of crankcases with the 51WLJ serial number, I know nothing factual. However, you can eliminate the Japanese military and Japan overall from being a factor.


After the end of World War II, Japan’s new Constitution renounced Japan from ever maintaining any land (or sea or air) forces. Nothing in any shape or form existed of a Japanese military until 1950 and then only in the form of a national guard. In 1950, with the United States protecting Japan from external threats, Japan established the National Police Reserves to handle internal issues. It was not until 1954 when Japan’s Diet established the Japanese Self-Defense Force (JSDF) and put it under the control of the National Police Reserves which had been renamed the National Police Force in 1952.

Rikuo, as a motorcycle company, survived World War II and was allowed to manufacture its motorcycles. However, without a military to buy these, and most citizens without funds to purchase one, Rikuo’s main buyers were local police forces. This was not enough to keep the company open leading Rikuo to shutdown in 1949.

In 1951, Rikuo, now being funded by Showa, began production again in a new plant producing the older 750cc and 1200cc models along with a new 250cc model.

With a hard recovery from a devastating war, a fledgling National Police Force, and home companies like Rikuo struggling for survival, the Japanese government was not seeking to place contracts with Harley-Davidson or any other non-national company for products that could be produced at home. By purchasing at home, they were speeding their recovery.

As far as a Japanese citizen was concerned, one could purchase a new Harley-Davidson if they were willing to pay the 30% import duty that existed throughout the 1950s.

To date, the 51WLJ has surfaced mainly in either Indonesia or the Netherlands. As time passes they will appear in other locations of the world but simply because someone carries it there

and not because it was contracted for from H-D by that location.


Until very late 1949, Indonesia was a Dutch Colony known as the Dutch East Indies. It is possible, with its long ties to the Netherlands and because it did not have motorcycle manufacturing companies of its own, Indonesia could have ordered the WLJ for its purposes and WLJs later migrated to the Netherlands by ex-Pats returning home. However, just as possible, the WLJ was purchased for use in the Netherlands and later exported to Indonesia by Dutch ex-Pats wanting to live in Indonesia. Whatever the source of the contract, the WLJs ties to the Dutch are strong.

The Dutch military was not the only large user of Harley-Davidsons in the Netherlands. There were also the Police Forces and perhaps the largest user, the Algemene Nederlandse Wielrijders Bond (ANWB).

The ANWB is the Dutch Automobile Club, similar to the USA’s AAA and the UK’s AA. After World War II, the ANWB used many WLCs with distinctive ANWB package trucks attached (the UK’s AA used the same package truck body style). Frequently referred to as “Yellow Bikes”, they were for roadside assistance and well appreciated. Over the years, the WLCs were worn out and new motorcycles were purchased. ment H-Ds were purchased by the ANWB and perhaps these ments were the mysterious WLJ.

The French Connection:
France too used WLAs and WLCs in their Army following World War II. Enough so to have WLA manuals published in French (there is also a Spanish translation of the WLA TM9-1879 manual produced by the US GPO in 1948 for our southern neighbors).

Throughout World War II, France through the Vichy France government remained in control of their Asian colony, French-Indochina. Following the war, with the restoration of their free-French government, France tried to re-establish full control of its colony. However, with world opinion against France’s rule of Indo-China and strong independence movements, France fully ceded all interest in 1954, leaving Laos and Cambodia independent and Vietnam split between a North government and a South government.

While it is known that Saigon ordered Harley-Davidsons in the 1960s for Police duties, it remained unclear of their previous uses of H-Ds. But now, with exports of NOS H-D parts from Saigon of pre-World War II 45 parts (1937-1940 WL), post-war Big Twin 1950s parts, and 42WLA parts and these parts sourcing from former Saigon government warehouses, it appears that the French Annam Administration supplied the South government with H-D parts from French Army stocks and, possibly from Dutch Army stocks seized by the Japanese (the pre-war 45 parts).

Prior to World War II, the only known French contract for American motorcycles is the 5000 Indians in 1940. Prior to World II, France was fairly independent in the production of motorcycles. The Dutch, however, did not manufacture motorcycles. Prior to World War II, motorcycles provided to the Dutch Army in the Dutch East Indies were Harley-Davidson, including the 1937-1940 WL. So it seems plausible that the source of the spare parts for 1937-1940 WL models in the former Saigon government’s stores was from the Dutch Armies stock in the Dutch East Indies.



Ein weiterer AMCA-Richter in dem Fred sagt ebenso das ein "J" gar nix bedeutet. Es sei schlichtweg eine Auftragsnummer.

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So abwegig ?
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Das Baujahr, würde auch mit der Motornummer der linken Seite übereinstimmen.

Nur glaube ich nicht, dass die letzte Zahl eine 3 ist.
Es scheint mir eher eine 5.

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Mag auch sein , will mich da nicht festlegen
Soll ja auch nur ein Gedankenstubser sein.

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Die 7 könnte eine b (6) sein, da ja HD so komische 6er bzw. 9er haben.

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